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That's mixed in with the "Only happy little system challenges" part

3:01 PM

It's both saying the label is bad AND your system challenges aren't that big of a deal

yeah which is why i said „working towards”, not just relabelling, because it might not stick

Thoughts on people using the term parogen/parogenic as alt terms for tulpas

I don't care what people use, but personally I'm not a fan of it

11:40 PM

I need to find my "rules" and make it a copy pasta

I don’t care either way, unless their reasoning is that “tulpa” is cultural appropriation

11:40 PM

But either way, it’s not my business, so I still don’t really care.

There are two rules to replacing tulpamancy with something better-

1) It must have a replacement for tulpa
2) It can't be sillier than tulpamancy

I don’t know if that’s (cultural appropriation) the reasoning behind it. It seems more like just trying to distance from the negative reaction people sometimes have to the term tulpa/“tulpagenic”

"Parogen" is new to me, but I'm not sure if "parogenic" isn't sillier than "tulpamancy" (edited)

Milk

Thoughts on people using the term parogen/parogenic as alt terms for tulpas

i actually used to back when i had a tulpa headmate, i think its just a way to distance from the tulpa community as u said but i dont mind any word that anyone uses :P

I def don’t have any strong feelings on it I was just curious what the Crew™️ (that’s you all) thought

11:44 PM

11:44 PM

This is an extra new one for me

11:44 PM

Never heard that term in my life

this is also very new for me!

Feel like it reads too close to Sepia or Senpai

Senpiamancy is the practice of creating headmates through various techniques. A headmate created through senpiamancy is called a "senpia". The term was created as an alternative to the term tulpamancy and specifically denotes a person who believes the creation of there headmates is due to psychological reasons, whereas tulpamancy can refer to people with both metaphysical and psychological beliefs.

Senpiamancy is a heck of a term

Cannot not read it as senpaimancy

11:58 PM

And no, the term is not used by people in the tulpa community

11:58 PM

:P

11:58 PM

I'm explicitly against further segregation of plurality-types, since I believe it's creating rifts when in actuality we're likely all just doing something the human brain is capable of naturally doing.

i mean, senpiamancy sounds cool

11:59 PM

your just biased for tulpamancy

Milk

Thoughts on people using the term parogen/parogenic as alt terms for tulpas

I think it says more about the origin Like, there are accidental tulpas too But parogenic/willogenic make more sense to describe the origin since they're specifically meaning "deliberately created" (edited)

12:00 AM

I learned parogenic and willogenic from a plurality server i joined lol It had all sorts of roles for like quoigenic, endogenic, traumagenic, stressgenic...

I didn't intentionally create my (first three) tulpas even though they're equivalent to tulpas made on purpose.

psychonaut is a new thing too

Reisen

I didn't intentionally create my (first three) tulpas even though they're equivalent to tulpas made on purpose.

then what makes it a tulpa?

The definition of "senpiamancy" excludes us, but the proposed use-case includes us

Reisen

I didn't intentionally create my (first three) tulpas even though they're equivalent to tulpas made on purpose.

Then they'd be something else -genic

Which makes it a bad definition

(Serious question)

That's exactly what I'm trying to stop.

Thoughts on people using the term parogen/parogenic as alt terms for tulpas

@Milk - jump am i invited?

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

Thoughts on people using the term parogen/parogenic as alt terms for tulpas

@Milk - jump am i invited?

Ofc

Authors/RPers' seemingly-sentient-characters, "accidental/natural" tulpas, intentionally created tulpas and so on should all be allowed to be called tulpas.

Milk

Thoughts on people using the term parogen/parogenic as alt terms for tulpas

Unnecessary

I prefer how it sounds to tulpa tbh

12:02 AM

Senipamancy sounds more mysterious and whatnot LMAO

Reisen

Authors/RPers' seemingly-sentient-characters, "accidental/natural" tulpas, intentionally created tulpas and so on should all be allowed to be called tulpas.

Well yeah but we're talking specifically about whether the word parogenic is good for describing one's origins

We need to stop pretending every form of plurality is actually different, so we get less discrimination or even hatred between them, like anti-endos

Reisen

Authors/RPers' seemingly-sentient-characters, "accidental/natural" tulpas, intentionally created tulpas and so on should all be allowed to be called tulpas.

tulpas seem to behave a lot like personas (As defined by a particular app, of course not directly but implied)

Kei Wendt

Well yeah but we're talking specifically about whether the word parogenic is good for describing one's origins

That "senpiamancy" term is not in the format of system-origin, it's in the form of a practice.

though, its also different enough to not be considered tulpas

Reisen

We need to stop pretending every form of plurality is actually different, so we get less discrimination or even hatred between them, like anti-endos

I do agree with this. I feel like the microlabels create more division than unity.

It would be more like "We're senpiamatic" if it were an origin term

Reisen

That "senpiamancy" term is not in the format of system-origin, it's in the form of a practice.

Yeah i wasn't really talking about senpiamancy But i guess you were so oops

Reisen

It would be more like "We're senpiamatic" if it were an origin term

senpiagenic

Or that, yeah

Kei Wendt

Yeah i wasn't really talking about senpiamancy But i guess you were so oops

Didn't realize you changed the topic focus, sorry

12:05 AM

Anyways, not approving of a new made up term bootlegging/replacing tulpamancy

you know that people will be creating labels, microlabels, nanolabels, and they can do it infinitely, because it's all fluff and people will be getting more creative you can just go straight into endgame and just be whatever you are, without the need to call it

I honestly think if we're describing system origins, 'parogenic' (in the case of purposefully created tulpas) or endogenic (in the case of accidentally created ones) is better than just 'tulpa' since tulpas can be created in a variety of manners

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

you know that people will be creating labels, microlabels, nanolabels, and they can do it infinitely, because it's all fluff and people will be getting more creative you can just go straight into endgame and just be whatever you are, without the need to call it

That is fair

i can't imagine a situation in which calling an origin has a meaningful usage

Again, "senpiamancy" would be a practice

12:06 AM

It's just describing tulpamancy.

12:06 AM

If it were "senpiagenic" or something, then it would still be just another annoying label, but more legitimate at least (edited)

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

i can't imagine a situation in which calling an origin has a meaningful usage

I guess if you just wanted to bond with people over their origins? Or just wanted to clarify

if you want to clarify, it probably would make more sense to just talk about it without reducing experience to a label

12:07 AM

i personally am more interested in how someone experiences it, rather than what label they put

12:07 AM

when someone uses a label, it's not interesting, and it's a very lossy compression

12:08 AM

and then comes the problem of people not agreeing on labels etc...

anyone know a map generating/editing sotware i can use

the sims

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

if you want to clarify, it probably would make more sense to just talk about it without reducing experience to a label

Fair enough I guess a use case could be discord roles but i'm sure you find that a little silly I just like clicking roles to get roles lmao

map

12:09 AM

not house

12:09 AM

also shit, i did say id dowload sims didnt i

12:10 AM

doing it right now your welcome

12:10 AM

nonono i said id wait for m phone to come in

thank youq

berockly (TTG)

anyone know a map generating/editing sotware i can use

Doombuilder

the sims

lol

I know I have been talking about my therapy work a lot, but there is a specific aspect of it I think is under discussed. Actually no nevermind, it's already common knowledge tulpamancy just makes talk therapy harder and drug therapy a little weird sometimes. I do wonder if our take on EMDR is unique or if there's a "plural mindset" being applied here that others may have already used. Our therapist did say our experiences are unusual

Why would it make therapy harder?

I don't think it makes things easier if you're too afraid to tell your therapist about your tulpa(s)

I'll be talking about her in detail tomorrow

1:37 AM

I'm excited to see how that goes

Good luck! It went well for us

Good to hear! They've been positive about mentions in the past, so I'm pretty excited to talk about her

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I know I have been talking about my therapy work a lot, but there is a specific aspect of it I think is under discussed. Actually no nevermind, it's already common knowledge tulpamancy just makes talk therapy harder and drug therapy a little weird sometimes. I do wonder if our take on EMDR is unique or if there's a "plural mindset" being applied here that others may have already used. Our therapist did say our experiences are unusual

@A long kiss goodnight - jump look up inner family system therapy

you might see some resemblance

I do see some resemblance in retrospect

Leiko

I know I have been talking about my therapy work a lot, but there is a specific aspect of it I think is under discussed. Actually no nevermind, it's already common knowledge tulpamancy just makes talk therapy harder and drug therapy a little weird sometimes. I do wonder if our take on EMDR is unique or if there's a "plural mindset" being applied here that others may have already used. Our therapist did say our experiences are unusual

@A long kiss goodnight - jump look up inner family system therapy

well, my therapist literally brought that up near the end of today's session unprompted

9:14 PM

that session went well

9:14 PM

I'm starting to understand the connections between how my DID started and how I made blanka

Honestly i wonder if making a tulpa in DID is really the same as making a tulpa without DID or if it's just like splitting in DID

I'm not sure how it is for purely endogenic systems (I think that's the right terminology?), but I straight up followed tulpamancy guides when I was forming Blanka

9:18 PM

So I think there are probably similarities

i would say you can create a tulpa that would be similar to splitting

9:18 PM

it works both ways

Either way it's a thing the brain can do--both are valid ways of doing things

you can find a facet of yourself and put a name on it

yeah, seems to be what we'll be working on

in did it's out of your control and you have it happen spontanously, with potential dissociative fugue and amnesia barriers